Thursday, February 10, 2011

The Pigman-Paul Zindel

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41 comments:

  1. In this book, I think the way that John and Loraine both change the view of the story enhances it. The way they argue with each other makes the book more interesting. You can see a significant difference in their personalities by the way they talk about themselves, each other and their lives. Loraine is definitely the good girl who tries to please everyone and just wants someone to like her. John is a type of rebel who likes to make trouble for no reason and he believes that he doesn’t really need anyone. The chapters gave us a glimpse of their home lives, showing that they both aren’t from average families; they have parents that put them down and don’t really care what they do and aren’t the most loving parents in the world, making the kids feel like outcasts. But, when they became friends, they started to hang out and do things together, and in doing this they come upon the Pigman. I feel that this chapter started to make us think that the Pigman would change and influence John and Loraine’s lives. It foreshadows that something will happen when the teens go to meet the Pigman. I found that the first four chapters were just the start , and they were getting us prepared for something exciting and unusual that will be coming up in the book.

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  2. I think John & Loraine were a good combination for friends. They both had rough home lives, but i think their home lives were weird because of what they had done to the Pigman and their stressed. Which makes their home life interesting because its on their minds. Maybe also their homes dont feel like home because, they spent more time at the "Pigmans" house. The first couple of chapters were not as interesting as I would have hoped, but that might just be because there leading us to something intense in the next few chapters!
    I also think that this book will have have a very interesting ending just because of the way it started!

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  3. Do you think that our peer groups are decided by our socioeconomic status or family life? Or could John and Lorraine be drawn together by their need to have someone stable and supportive in their lives? Is that how we base our friendships... based on our needs or based on things that we could be missing in our lives?

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  4. I think that John and Loraine confide in each other because they can relate to each other well. Neither of them have good relationships at home. Even though they have completely different personalities, they are both viewed as 'outcasts' which I think is another reason why they are friends. I agree with you when you said that you think that Pigman will change their lives in some way. You can see that John is a good person he knows his parents don't care about him very much so I think he tries to get their attention by rebelling. The first few chapters were just introducing us to the main characters. I am also intrigued to read the rest of the book and find out how the characters get to know Mr. Pignati.

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  5. Good Comments Everyone! And French and English kids, I definitely agree with about everything you said! As for English Teacher, I think that they got together because of there need in their life for anyone, so they are needed in each others life.

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  6. Honestly i think you guys pretty much summed everything up. Personally i don't think there is any actual reason somebody is friends with another. It will or won't happen. From personal experience I didn't chose my friends because of my home life, we just kind of clicked into place. I believe that is what happened between Loraine and John. Something just felt right. They probably wouldn't have became best friends with any other random sitting beside them on a bus.

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  7. In the next couple of chapters i dont think a whole bunch of different things happened. I believe the main point was that they were just telling us about "Pigman." They described how they thought he was crazy for talking to the Ape at the zoo. But have you ever thought that the ape was his only friend? Maybe thats why he had such a close relationship with the Ape. Personally I think its kinda weird to have a whole room full of "pigs", to me that just really says how lonley and harmless he really is! Is he lonely because his wife "DEAD!"
    Of course he is lonely, but it makes you wonder why he wouldnt tell the kids that she was dead. It seemed as if he was trying to hide something from John & Loraine. Did he murder his own wife?
    Makes you think huh!
    How do you guys think the "pigmans" wife died?

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  8. I think that the reason the Pigman didn't tell John and Loraine that his wife wasn't dead because he is very lonely or in denial after the death of his wife. You can see he is very lonely because of how attached he is to John and Loraine after only knowing them for a few weeks. He is also best friends with a monkey which makes you question his sanity.

    I think that the Pigman's wife died of cancer or a disease like that. I don't think that Mr. Pignati would ever do something like killing his own wife, or anyone for that matter. He simply seems like a very lonely old man that just wants someone human to talk to, not a serial killer.

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  9. Yea "English" kid, I dont think he did kill his own wife, but at the same time i dont think she just died of a disease. I think she may have died in a accident that maybe the Pigman was kind in. Like maybe they got in a accident and he was driving. I kinda thinks thats why hes kinda crazy! Hahha he deffintaley is not serial killer!

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  10. Yes, I agree. That could explain why he doesn't want to admit that his wife is dead. Maybe he is having trouble accepting that he was maybe the reason she passed away even if it was by accident.

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  11. Personally, I think the reason the "Pigman" didn't tell John and Loraine because he is in denial and he still has this small piece of hope that his wife is coming back. When in reality she is never is. I also think that the "Pigman" is too caring and friendly to have killed anybody especially his wife.

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  12. Okay, guys I noticed you have trouble understanding just what Shaylyn is saying. She is implying that the pigman knows that his wife is dead. The Pigman just is a little bit crazy and having a little glimpse of hope that his wife might come back. He isn't thinking straight when he thinks that, but he still is thinking something like that. Thats what Shaylyn is implying. I think.

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  13. We know Odie! We were saying that in reality she actually can't come back from the dead. We understand that Shaylyn was implying that he still has hope because he is lonely.

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  14. We know "Odie" we were messin' with ya!

    Also yeah he I think he is in denial. I think that because it takes someone quite insane to think their wife is still alive.

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  15. Thank-you Odie that is exactly what i meant.

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  16. Your Welcome, Shay, I have no problem clarifying things for people.

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  17. Do you not think John and Lorraine are lonely too? When you look at their home lives they are as messed up as Mr. Pignati! Does anyone not want to comment on the lack of morals and values in this story and society.... Does anyone want to talk about the elderly abuse that goes on????

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  18. They are abusing him, and his home. They do not even realize what they are doing to the "Pigman." I also think John, Lorraine and the Pigman are all the same type of people.

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  19. In these chapters we really began to see how much the Pigman, John and Loraine really care for each other. When the Pigman had a heart attack the two teenagers were really concerned about him. They even lied to the police and said that they were Mr. Pignati's children. This showed how close and comfortable they are with the Pigman.

    John and Loraine's relationship also changed too. They became very intimate at one point in the book. After that you could feel the tension between the two of them and it seemed as if John was angry at Loraine.

    John and Loraine also use the Pigman's house while he is in the hospital. I think that they are abusing the fact that the Pigman is letting them use his house. At the end of the last chapter the author is predicting that something bad is going to happen at the party that John is wanting to throw. Do you agree that John and Loraine are abusing the privilege of being able to use the Pigman's house? What do you pridict will happen if they throw a party at his house?

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  20. I do not think I would gloss over the intimate moment John and Lorraine shared. Do you think this will change their friendship? It makes me wonder if guys and girls can ever really just be friends. It always seems as someone ends up having feelings and their friendship either ends or goes to another level... but it always changes!

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  21. Okay, English Kid, you first. I think you had a very interesting perspective on your chapters. I definitely agree with you on the fact that they are abusing the privilege of getting to use the Pigman's house. I also believe that something very bad will happen at the party, maybe even including Pigman's death??? but one part I was wondering about was that Jonh was mad at Lorraine. Could you please explain this to me? thanks! And on the teacher comment, I think that yes this moment will change their friendship. I dont think that after a moment like that that they can just go back to the ways things used to be, not right away anyway. In the subject of boys and girls being friends, I strongly believe that this can happen. I think it is very possible for any two people to remain close friends without having feelings for each, whether or not the two people are boy/girl or not.

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  22. I do not necessarily agree with you...right now your relationship is platonic, but I do believe that as the relationship progresses one of the people when end up having feelings. Even if they do not express those feeling out loud the relationship will be altered.

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  23. Odie, John was angry at Loraine after they had a 'moment' at the Pigman's house.

    I agree with you Bulldog ELA Teacher, at some point in a boy/girl friendship one or both of the people develop some kind of feelings toward one another.

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  24. I agree with "Bulldog Ela Teacher" because I also agree that, a boy and a girl cant just be friends, without something more developing between two people of opposite sexes!
    Also yes "Little English Kid" good comment. I also agree that they are definitely abusing his rights and his personal life by always being in his home. I would not be surprised if the Pigman died at his party either "Odie"

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  25. Haha, not all of these comments are in order. Woops!

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  26. Well, you guys all make good points, but I still strongly believe that it is possible to be friends with a guy without them or you having feeling for each other. Think about Dane, he is one of our best friends, but have any of you ever felt anything for him? Other than friendship, I haven't!

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  27. Okay, I think that even if you don't have feelings for them, you will flirt with them in some way.

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  28. I would have agree with both English Kid and Odie because I do believe John and Loraine are using Mr. Pigman’s house but I am not so sure they know they are. On the subject of Loraine and John's intimate moment i think they can go back to being just friends. I believe two people can have that one intimate moment and go back to being the same, just friends. On the other hand I agree with English Teacher because If a boy and girl are really close friends they might not have feelings for each other but at some point they will have thought what it might be like if they were more than just friends.

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  29. Sorry for ignoring your comments my comment wouldn't go up. Odie I am sorry but once again I would have to disagree with you. Yes your right Dane is our close friend but he isn't near as close as a friend as John and Loraine were.

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  30. I think that it will still be awkward between the two of them though. But I agree with you that they will still be friends.

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  31. Personally, I think the whole idea of having a party was a bad idea from the beginning. Soon as John suggested that he was going to have a party in the Mr. Pigman’s house, I automatically knew something bad was going to happen. I found it really oblivious that Mr. Pigman was going to come home at the same time the party went all wrong! I think that Loraine knew it was wrong but she never did anything about it! You could tell that both Lorraine and John felt really bad about what happened to the house, Mr. Pigman’s wife’s dress and most of all Mr. Pigman’s feelings. I believe that it scared John that his parents didn’t get mad at him about the party. It was almost like reality hit him. Both of his parents were quite old and he never took that into perspective. I noticed that it wasn’t a good thing but it wasn’t a bad thing Loraine got in trouble. After her mom calmed down she could finally get everything off her chest! After feeling guilty about the party, they needed to see his face and his hear his forgiveness. They thought the best way to get this was by taking Mr. Pigman to one of his favorite places in the world. The zoo… In a way this back-fired on them, it broke Mr. Pigman’s heart even more. It just broke until it completely stopped working. My thoughts, I would have to say I did not like the ending of this book! There wasn’t a happy ending or even something that made you kept thinking of the book! Did you guys like the ending?

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  32. I liked the ending because I think that we are all expecting a happy ending and that's what we all want because no one likes heart ache. So the fact that the book ended with the Pigman's death was actually a nice change from a book with a happy ending. It just showed that not everything ends up like a fairy tale and that life's not what we expect it to be.

    I feel very sorry for the Pigman because he had gained a lot of trust towards John and Loraine.
    I agree with you that his heart was broken in many different ways. With the death of his wife and then the death of Bobo his heart naturally broke. I think it also broke when John and Loraine betrayed him.

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  33. Sorry, I would have to disagree. We knew right from the beginning that the Pigman was going to die. I thought it would have been interesting if he didn't actually die but metaphorically died inside. It would have fit perfect when John and Lorraine said "Some say we murdered the Pigman, well kind of." Nobody would have seen this coming and it would have kept reader thinking about the book.

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  34. Okay, for Shay's earlier comment I think that possibly boys and girls might THINK about what it would be like to be more than friends, but I don't think that many people actually act on it. And also Shay, I definitely agree with you that having the party was an awful idea. It was obvious that something bad was going to happen, and I think it was also a lack of respect for them to use the Pigman's house without him being there. Do you guys agree with that? And I can honestly say that I did not really like the ending, or even the book. I think that the ending was expected and there wasn't much tension and/or intencness in the book. I didn't find it a book that I could really get into, and if I had a choice to read it again, I probably wouldn't. Also do you guys have any ideas of on what the moral of the story is?

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  35. I agree the story would have eneded a lot better, if the Pigamn didn't actually die. Odie it was also very disrespectful that they had a party without him being there. The stroy wasn't the best book I have read. The moral to the story to me it is kinda, dont take advantage of people. Thats the only moral I can see!

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  36. I agree, Frenchie! It was very disrespectful for them to use his house. Especially because of all the nice things he has done for them, like buying them roller-skates and providing a place where they could hang out without having the pressure of school and home. And yes, I know, the moral isnt very clear to me. It possibly may have something to do with respect and/or overcoming obstacles. (Like the two kids home lives) One more thing that I would like to comment on was how bad I felt for the Pigman. He had a nice life going but then his wife died, leaving him in basically a little box of lonliness. When he finally finds two friends to fill the empty hole his wife left in his heart, they abuse there relationship and use his house. And then there is the baboon, like what a time for it to die! It makes me feel very sad for the Pigman to think that in his last few moments his world kind of fell apart. I think that the Pigman finally died because his only hope in the world was him thinking he was like the lonely baboon, and that if the baboon could keep going, so could he. When the baboon died, he lost hope and died too.

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  37. I completely agree with Odie! I really do believe that the Pigman did live, just because "Bobo" did. But to me even though the story was not the best book I have read. I also think it was a good story that had alot of meaning, which I am not to sure of what is exactly is!

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  38. Haha, yup, I agree with you there, there is a lot of meanings I think in this book but just what they are is kind of a mystery to me! But, anyways, I am glad that the book is done. I am not quite sure if I am willing to read another book by this author, but maybe if I gave it a try I might like it.

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  39. "Odie" I know are blogging is done but I just needed to say a last couple of words. Mystery is a good word to describe because even the story line was a mystery its self. I think I would read another book by him because personally know a coouple of weeks after we read the book. I still remember everything that happened. So maybe the author Paul Zindle was trying to make a mysterious and memorable story. Also even though I said not that long ago that I wouldnt read this book again, I might really consider it know.

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